Frequent commenter Ben Maarof left an interesting comment to my last entry, the one in which I posted some cute photos of my cute kid (who I’m sure I may have mentioned once or twice is the cutest kid in the whole world). His comment began like this:
Sorry J-Mac, as cute as your son is, it seems he’s not destined to be in the local advertising industry when he grows up.
Ben then pasted an article from Sun2Surf, the Sun’s online news site, which can be found here. Here’s some of the article:
The Information Ministry will discuss with the Culture, Arts and Heritage Ministry the guidelines to be adopted for TV advertisements to reduce the domination of Pan-Asian faces in TV commercials.
Information Minister Datuk Seri Zainuddin Maidin said the guidelines, expected to be ready in a few months, would be one way of restraining advertising companies which were fond of using pan-Asian faces instead of Malaysians for their advertisements, either on TV or billboards.
“I realise that many advertisements on TV now, especially on privateTV, feature more faces which are not Malaysians. This, to me, is downgrading local faces,” he told a press conference after a visit to a theme park, The Carnivall, here today.
Now, first of all, I almost agree—almost. I have always laughed at the fact that so-called Pan-Asians—people of mixed Asian-European descent—are overrepresented in advertising here. After watching a week’s worth of ads on Malaysian TV, foreigners here could be forgiven for thinking every Malaysian has creamy white skin.
However, I must say I am immensely offended by Datuk Seri Zainuddin Maidin’s statement—unless what he said was horribly taken out of context by whoever wrote the article—that people with such faces are “not Malaysians.” Not truly representative of the average Malaysian, perhaps. But not Malaysian at all? Please.
Hey Datuk Seri: MY KID IS MALAYSIAN. As are many other people of mixed parentage in Malaysia.
This part is just ridiculous:
He said RTM already had its own set of rules which did not allow the use of Pan-Asian faces on its advertisments and did not go against Eastern values.
Great, so in order to show that they’re not self-hating racists, the folks at RTM have made it a policy to exclude certain Malaysians because of the colour of their skin. Way to go.
And what’s this shit about such rules not going against Eastern values? Let me tell you something about Eastern values: Pan-Asians appear so frequently in Asian advertising because Asians have a thing for white skin. And it’s not because they just want to be like the white man. No, Asians admired white skin before they’d even met white people. White skin meant you didn’t spend a lot of time out under the hot sun, which meant you probably didn’t have to do a lot of the kind of work that required being out in the sun, which meant you were probably a member of the upper class, or at least not a member of the lower class. White skin has always been a status thing in Asia; when Europeans came along, they didn’t start the trend, they just reinforced it, driving home the idea that white skin and prestige go hand in hand.
Surely there are other, more complicated explanations for Asian adoration of white skin, but whatever those explanations may be, that adoration has somehow woven itself into cultures across Asia—it’s become part of Pan-Asian culture, you might say. Guess what that means? It means this habit Malaysians have of filling their ads with people of mixed parentage is indeed consistent with so-called Eastern values—like it or not.
Sometimes I think it’s funny—Oh, look, another half-white kid on a Malaysian ad. Sometimes I think it’s downright sickening—Hey girl, you know you might have a shot at that job if you can whiten your skin a little bit. That’s really pathetic. I’ve seen Indian girls here who look as black as the ace of spades but they’re gorgeous. But that doesn’t seem to matter here: I know a lot of Malaysian men would choose a fair-skinned girl over a dark-skinned one, with little or no regard for which one acutally has nicer features, because even if their porcelain princess looks like she hit every branch of the ugly tree when she fell out of it, they could always fall back on “At least she’s fair.” Sad, eh? But whatever I think of it, my little opinion won’t change the fact that it’s part of Asian culture, and that it is a result of ‘Eastern values’.
I’m not saying white skin isn’t attractive. White skin is beautiful. So is black skin, brown skin, yellow skin, and all the other shades God can come up with. A lot of things go into whether a person is attractive or not, and I understand different places will have different standards of beauty (where I’m from, girls strip off and flock to the nearest open space to get a nice golden tan), but come on now: surely the way to get Malaysians to appreciate their diverse beauty (or beautiful diversity) is not to treat some of them like lepers.
And what the hell is up with the whole ‘Pan-Asian’ thing anyway? Shouldn’t that mean they just have a general Asian look, like they could be from any Asian country? You’d think so, but somehow in Malaysia the term has come to mean ‘one parent is Malay or Chinese but the other one is white’. Eurasian seems more accurate, but for some reason people here call mixed-race Malaysians like my son Pan-Asian. Very odd.
Anyway, I put photos of my kid here in my blog because I think my kid is really cute. Because he IS really cute. In fact, I think my kid is the cutest kid in the world. It doesn’t bother me if someone doesn’t think so. But to even suggest my kid isn’t Malaysian? Please. My kid is indeed Malaysian, fuck thank you very much.
And if Al doesn’t end up making it big in the local advertising industry? Who gives a shit? I certainly don’t. I’ve got bigger things to give a shit about, like the fact that my son isn’t quite Malaysian enough for the government of the country of his birth, the only country of which he is currently a citizen.
It blows my mind that in a country where nobody is really a pure anything anyway, a small number of Malaysians are being discriminated against just for being of mixed parentage. That is so FUBAR.
Thanks to Ben for the link, even if he did just do it to give me one more reason to eventually leave his my son’s country.
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Well said Jordan! 100% correct. But I got a question for you: what is my little girl? Malaysian, Canadian or both? What makes you who your are? Your family or the Government?
FYI
You have the best boy in the world, but I have the best girl in the world.
I love my Borneo Newfie girl. And yes she has white skin. I guess if we go there people will look at me and Aida very weard?
Jordan;
I hope Malaysia keeps this up because I want you to come back home!!!!
You don’t need to be in a country where this is the norm. You did very well on this topic and I am proud of you.
hugs, MOM
Yeah, it’s ironic for a country that embraces a gamut of whitening products like ‘Fair & Lovely’ practices this kind of discrimination.
My galfriend who’s married to a self-taught Muslim convert from New York, related to me a different sort of discrimination when it comes to her husband’s employment benefits….
I know, Malaysia does have its share of faults but I still call it home. There’s no place of earth without its own imperfections.
Just hang in there!
Jordan,
Our kids might not be Malaysians enough, but they are surely the most beautiful kids on earth!!!
;-)
Jordan:
I couldn’t agree with you more on the points you raise. I always found it ironic that “western” people strive to be tanned and “eastern” strive to be whiter!
Just a minor clarification, any child born to a Canadian parent is a citizen of Canada even if they never hold a single Canadian document or step foot in the country. Just try pretending your child is Malaysian only and apply for the required visa to visit Canada and you will quickly find that they do not qualify for a visa or permanent residency putting them in the awkward situation of being dual citizens which is illegal for Malaysians.
Frank: Well, apparently your little one is an Eskimo. Er, sorry…Inuit! Call me, we need to talk!
Mom: Well, too much more of this kind of crap and you might get your wish. Unfortunately, there’s not much for me to do in Canada. Who would I teach English to? And with no degree? The people working at McDonald’s back home all have degrees. For now, my best option is to stay here amd smile through clenched teeth. For now.
Theta: Oh yeah, where I’m from has its share of ridiculous discrimination based on one’s ancestry. Maybe I should write about that too. No place is perfect, that’s for sure. But most of the discrimination back home (by the government anyway) seems to me to be more about inclusion rather than exclusion, if that makes any sense at all, which to me sort of does but I need to think about it. That’d be a whole other post.
Farah: Right on!
DQF: Actually, our kids are entitled to citizenship, but according to someone I spoke to at the Canadian High Commission in KL, they’re not automatically citizens. Otherwise I’d be able to simply register Al as a Canadian citizen, which is not the case. Instead, I have to apply for citizenship for him, and he has to go through the same process as any other applicant—the only difference being, of course, that because he has a Canadian parent he’s pretty much in there. Still, until I apply, and until the application is approved, he’s only a Malaysian citizen.
Jordan. .They have been saying bout putting more say Malay/Asian like faces on advertisement since years ago but instead a lot of Eurasian faces dominate. I’m of the the opinion that all types of people whether white, black , brown, yellow , skinny, fat or young or old should be represented and there should not be any discrimination. However, in reality, people prefer certain attributes more to sell products like they’d have to be fair , young and skinny. I’m totally peeved too about this “you have to be fair skin to be beautiful” and ” you have to be a certain body size to be beautiful” mentality in Malaysian society. I used to get brochures all the time for slimming programs when I walked in the mall. Heavens, that was when I was expecting. Or some fair skin sales rep recommending the “brightening” line of a cosmetic range to me. Ouch! I’m glad you brought this up. And babies are cute no matter from what parentage they are. I remember a French friend telling me that she finds all babies cute even African babies. It is true even if they have darker skin but they have the biggest and most gorgeous eyes. However, FYI there is still a chance for Eurasian babies to do well and be crowned the prestiges ” baby of the year” award in Malaysia. (A neighbour’s son in KL who is Eurasian won it last year). Go Al!
ohhh,no more talk bout this,just leave!!!!….kefala ku fenin bila vaca your entry bout leaving Msia due to the imperfections, just leave!!!
Both of my kids were born here in Melbourne (holding Aussie birth cert) so they are definitely an Aussie citizen. I cannot register them as Malaysian citizens. BUT, this is a big but, if for example the father is Malaysian and I am an Australian, and the kids were born here in Australia, then the kids can be registered as Malaysian citizens.
It sucks but what can you do? And Malaysia doesn’t allow dual citizen either.
Talking about the Asians wanting to be white….hehehe..it is funny because when I went to Malaysia last time and when I went to the bathroom at my relatives house, I can see all this whitening cream and lotion all over the bathroom…you know like Fair and Lovely stuff like that… I don’t think they realise that doesn’t matter what skin colour you have, the most important thing is what in your heart.
truebluemsian - interesting coming from a person who calls themselves blue, which is the european colour for royalty… not yellow (technically it’s purple, but the phrase uses blue). Still using ‘european’ colouring to identify yourself… so you still deny the whole ‘colour’thing as being wrong? trueyellowmsian doesn’t seem quite right does it… maybe mellowyellowmsian - but then you’re not that very mellow - telling someone not brown to leave - where’s your tolerance for, as Malaysia always puts it, “strength in diversity”?
Fir
Our Pan Asean kids are allowed to have dual citizenships until they turn 18.
Truebluemsian: It’s Jordan’s blog. Why are you here?
issshh…geram nyer.
sometimes i think, isnt it the media who go up to all this pan-asian ppl to see if they would appear in their ad? and seriously i have more things to think about avarayna rather than thinking if she is going to be on every billboard in malaysia! sometimes i think govt fret over small things!
even though my kid is born in canada, she is still part msian (thought the govt dont think so). silly as it is, canada - as big as it is allows dual citizenship and malaysia, a tiny kuci miao country even gives a hard time for qualified foreign ppl who have live there for 20 years to even get a PR cert!
and malaysia say they are not racist???
ohh jordan - i wanted to say too, you may have the cutest boy in the whole wide world, but we have the prettiest girl in the whole entire world. but who wont think that of thier kids eh? be it pan-asian, malaysian, african, american, canadian or whatever -ian you are.
i have an idea, let all those who like to call themselves true malaysian or not of the pan asian type take a DNA test. let see how genetically malaysian they are. many of us are more racially mixed than we realise. god forbid the term malaysian has only existed for nearly 50 years.
watch the advertising dollars disappear as the advertiser decides no thanks, or maybe we should go down the road south africa took during apartheid seperate advertisments for each race.
must be a quiet news day for this to be thought of.
Dear Jordan,
The ‘Pan-Asians’ in the ads, it has all to do with jealousy. The white-skinned ones get all the prestige ads - holidays, luxury stuff; whereas the brown ones are the face of everyday drudgery - laundry powder, getting splashed by fast car (Petronas ad a few years ago).
Perhaps you should suggest some role reversal. The gorgeous Mat Salleh struggling with collar stain and saved by Serbuk Harimau Kuat and the weather-beaten Aunty in flip-flops splashing about in some local luxury resort. Then, there will be no problem with the bigotted Info Ministry.
Sign yourself up for ads for the loans/ insolvency/ Chetty services /Alongs. You will make ringgits!
Ida
ok Mr.Jacob, you Win! I’m just doing the favour for him by adding one more reason to leave Malaysia. Lucky for you Jordan, you have plenty spokesperson who can do the talk for you.
Umm-Fi-Ard: Not interested in the whole baby-of-the-year thing, or ads, or anything like that. But when my kid is insulted—by the government, no less—I get a bit ticked off. And yeah, the whitening cream thing is strange. I think it hit the lowest of the low a few years back when that ad came on TV, I think it was an Indian girl who wanted a job but she didn’t get it because she was too dark, and then she used Fair and Lovely and voila! She was suddenly beautiful and got the job.
Truebluemsian: Kalau pening kepala bila baca blog ni, kenapa you nak baca? Click lah X tu kat atas. Senang aje. I complain because I want Malaysia to be better. Not perfect, just better. Reasonable. Imperfections are OK but blatant, ignorant racism isn’t. Not anywhere.
Fir: That’s right, if I were Malay and Leen the foreigner, we could have had Al anywhere and he could still be a Malaysian citizen. And again with the whole skin-whitening thing: like I said, it seems to be pretty deeply ingrained in Asian culture, but still…there are so many beautiful people out there who have dark skin, white skin, yellow, brown, it’s too bad they want to change it.
Jake: You know, if someone is blue they’re probably not getting enough oxygen.
Farah: That’s right. It’s tricky, but apparently the Malaysian gov’t won’t do anything to stop our kids from having dual citizenship (although they still frown upon it) until they’re 18, and then they’ll have to choose. But I’ve heard so many conflicting stories about that, I’m not even sure how it works.
Aida: Bingo! I have a kid, who will obviously always be the most beautiful kid in the world because he’s my kid. He could be as white as snow, as black as the ace of spades, as yellow as a banana, or even blue—but he’d still be the most beautiful kid in the world to me. Well, if he were blue I’d take him to the hospital. But he’d still be beautiful to me!
Rob: That’s the funniest thing about all of this: there’s no such thing as a pure Malay, let alone a pure anything. My kid’s probably more Malay than some of the people who think he’s stepping on their sacred entitlements.
Ida: Ooh! Ooh! I wanna play a waiter at a mamk stall!
Truebluelatipah: Anytime you want to talk, just let me know. I’ll bring Al to make you feel more comfortable, cause he’s, you know, one of your people.
Jordan;
You are so funny! I wonder anyone gets it?
hugs,MOM
Hey! There is no need to wanna kick some one out of Malaysia coz he/she criticises Malaysia. He/she is entitle to live in Malaysia as long as he /she abides the law and especially if he/she is marries to a local Malaysian. Not just in Jordan case, I know a case where a Brit has been living in Sabah for >30 years but has to return coz he did not get Malaysian citizenship. And although historically Portuguese /Dutch invaded Malacca and left centuries ago, some of them married local men/women and some of the descendants are still living in M’sia and they probably lived here longer than some of our Malay ancestry/lineage who lived on the Malayan Peninsular. Nobody kicked them out because they were/are mixed. Nobody can claim a land is theirs exclusively solely on race/religion as we are only living temporarily here on earth ie the earth does not belong to us really but to God. If God decides a race is making munkar on earth , he can surely replace them with with a better set of people.
J-Mac,
You are absolutely wrong 100%..
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MY kids are the cutest kids in the world.
By the way they are mixed. They are of Perak-KL descent.
Do you guys remember that scene in Star Wars: Return of the Jedi in Jabba the Hut’s lair where that alien dancing girl ticked Jabba off and Jabba opened a hole in the floor where she fell and got eaten by the Rancor?
She has BLUE skin and she’s still pretty.
Ben: MWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Dear Jordan,
You said,
“Ida: Ooh! Ooh! I wanna play a waiter at a mamk stall!”
Here is the outfit for your audition.
One white cotton singlet.
One sarong pelikat rolled up to just below knee and fasten with a secure knot BELOW a protruding belly.
One towel placed over your left shoulder to wipe, brow, table and to carry hot teh-tarik.
One biro over secured on the pinna of your right ear.
One small receipt book tuck into your sarong.
A pair of well-worn well-worn leather sandals.
A pair of hairy legs.
An exuberant personality.
I dare you to take a photo in this attire and sent it to the info ministry and ad agencies to get the ringgits rolling.
[The above is not racial-stereotyping, rather it was my fond memory of the proprietor of an eatery on Jalan Masjid India, a long time ago]
Ida
Jordan,kalau I tak suka baca, takde lah I bagi komen.Cuma sedih je sebab you selalu cakap nak balik,nak balik,nak balik…
oww…if Al were there,I would just melt bcoz he is really truebluecute. Again,sorry Jordan & the rest who terasa.
latipah, memang terasa sometimes, even though I am not in Malaysia now. Bila kat msia, Frank pun cakap nak balik, nak bali, nak balik. while sometimes I think he is terribly wrong, kekadang geram jer and cakap balik lah. but most of the things he bring up do have a point, and rasa malu lah jer.and sadly now the topic jordan bring up, i totally agree with jordan. bak pepatah:
hujan emas di negeri orang, hujan batu di negeri sendiri, baik di negeri sendiri, but growing up, i rather hujan emas :-) hujan batu nak buat apa?
Ida:
One white cotton singlet. Check.
One sarong pelikat rolled up to just below knee and fasten with a secure knot BELOW a protruding belly. Sarong pelikat: check, got one of those. Potruding belly: uh…working on that one. So yeah, check.
One towel placed over your left shoulder to wipe, brow, table and to carry hot teh-tarik. Check. I’m sure I could find a white towel.
One biro over secured on the pinna of your right ear. Biro? That a brand of pencil? If so, check.
One small receipt book tuck into your sarong. Check. Sounds easy enough.
A pair of well-worn well-worn leather sandals. Check.
A pair of hairy legs. Check. I swear I could probably braid the hair on my legs.
An exuberant personality. Oh yeah baby. Check.
Let’s do it!
Latipah: No worries. I guess you can’t be all that bad, since you appear to like the colour blue and all that. But still…I really hope Al never turns blue.
Aida: I don’t know…gold, stones…they’d both hurt if they cracked you on the noggin.
:)
I think it boils down to: not realising that society is changing - in the sense that inter-racial and inter-marriages are COMMON these days - across religions, skin colors, whatever.. :)
Pan-asians are hard to pigeon hole because we’re any color, race or religion.
Same thing with the Americanos.. when a survey revealed that Latinos were getting more and more ‘mixed’- inter-marrying with Americans, it caused a shiver down for some people.
It pissed me off when people are discriminated against just because they are beautiful or good looking.
HEY! WE’RE MALAYSIANS TOO!!!!
Yes , I do strongly agree with Jordan well done bro. Recent comments on Pan Asian look Models. I am very sad that there is still people who has this kind of mentality . Come on we are saying that Malaysia is a developing nation/developed nation. To me it does not make a single scene. I think It could be just jealousy.
If they are talking about TV ads , it is solely depends on requirements what kind of model , make up ,dress etc required for that particular ads . And also depends on nature of the business product and services the client offer , how they want to be seems /image. For e.g , if someone want to advertise Malaysia as Multi cultural national , they try to get a model who has the look of mix can represent all three races from Malaysian to be truly Asia . So this is something that the right of agencies, business owners and also complete right of Malaysian models in this case Pan Asian look model .
I think, in this high tech environments, with cosmetic and surgery tech can transform a person from traditional Malay Asian look to western look, Pan Asian look. In that case don’t you think Malaysia should have also some guideline for cosmetic changes for model, cannot be pan Asian look? .
Btw what is MALAYSIAN LOOK exactly. What are the criterias set? Long nose? Tall/short ? Dark ,white and Brown skin . It is very funny to me. we are all human beings it does not matter how you look and it is a matter how one think ,make themselves attractive and marketable .
Is not Pan Asian look or Mix people generally smarter than others since genetically they are mix and probably scientifically proven here.
Is not in Islam it is always encouraged to have intermarriage with different races ?Among Malaysians how many percentage are pure Malay, Pure Chinese ,Pure Indian in terms of Look what is the different from Malays from Indonesian and Brunei ,Main land China , India?
Come on, the world is growing and it’s borders are shirking day by day . Malaysians should be more open minded and progressive in all aspects that’ allows healthy competition in ads agencies .
It is not how different your look is ,it is something that comes together internally and externally .The total package , Look at Famous Datuk Siti, one of my favourate artist from Malaysia:)
I really hope that this kind of ridiculous ideas without deep thinking and research is baseless to implement and May even unnecessarily create social problem within Malay, Chinese, Indian .And also pave the way to create a race called Mix Race .
Finally, Recently I saw in newspaper, Malaysia is encouraging/persuading Malaysian expatriate with foreign spouse to come back home and their spouse will be granted PR within 6 months and will be give other attractive benefits when they come back Malaysian so that they can contribute to achieve Malaysia vision 2020.I just wonder this two ideas of Pan Asian Model and Brain darning ideas are somehow contradicting . Why should one come back to Malaysia since my own blood/children/beloved one will not be treated fairly with full citizenship right because they have Pan Asian Look ?Why must I take that risk in my life ? What is the guarantees that my wife also will be treated fairly as a Malaysian since she looks different from undefined malaysian look ? I keep wondering !
Aida: You’re damn right! Sapa nak hujan batu haha.
Jordan: I’m thinking of being a model for a darkening cream commercial ad in Canada. Ok tak? Kat Malaysia ni, I takde peluang cam tu, idung kemek… chubby… 5″ below required height - every time I buy new Jeans/pants, mmg pasti kena suruh potong 4″ kaki seluar tu! Ini tak adil! I nak jadi model iklan barang2 untuk dwarf and hobbits!
To quote Susan Lancaster: “Orang putih ke, orang hitam ke, orang coklat ke, orang biru ke… kita kan orang Malaysia?”
I support trueblue 100%. People contemplating on leaving due to imperfections even about racism should just leave. Voicing your concerns is not a problem with me, even better coming up with solutions. But running from problem is for loser.
Nizar, you ni kelakar lah..hahaha
I rasa bleh kot you masuk iklan kat sini. Sometimes I wonder, we are all Malaysian. but kat msia, whitening cream nyer iklan berlambak2. kenapa tu?
My turn to comment?
well… it is a bit boring…nothing to do with Babylon!
..not directly at least.
Naaahhh… not in da mood maybe later, after Liverpool beat Newcastle!
Anyway your kids will be fine here in Malaysia! don worry about the Pan Asia stuff just some terminology , semantic and jargons!
Politician loves big words!
Aby: 1) I complain because I want Malaysia to be better. Plenty of Malaysians—among them people for whom I have immense respect—want it to be better too and complain about the same things. If I’m a loser for complaining about those things, so are they. So how? 2) Whatever I do—and wherever I live—will be determined by one thing and one thing only: what’s best for my family. If that means eventually leaving Malaysia, then so be it. Someone who would stay or leave for any other reason—now that’s a loser, kan? 3) Try reading your comment again. It’s confusing.
Kuku Man: You really caught me off guard this time. Thanks for the comment!
Tambah susah lah nak balik ni.
Hey, but sometimes ppl have to leave for health reasons. The M government too often gives me high blood pressure.
Hi,
Just a bit of infor on our children citizenship. My daughther was born in UK, so she can’t be malaysian, now, every 6 months i have to renew her visa. We don’t know when will she get her PR. For my son, luckily he was born here. My friends told me, the government not allow our children to have dual citizenship, even before 18years old. ex: if my daughter want to have malaysian citizenship, she will have to let go of her swedish citizenship. So, you have to choose for your children, what nationality they want to be.
My hubby is the same as you, always talk about leaving the country. Because he his dissappointed and frustated with the government. As you said, we not hoping the government to be perfect, but just want them to be better.
Come to Australia. We have our faults but we also have 200+ nationalities, all of whom are beautiful Australians. My kids (born in Sydney) are 100% Australian and if anybody said otherwise, their classmates,friends, neighbours and even total strangers will leap to their defence. Why live on the edge that is Malaysia now? If you have skills, are below 45, speak English and want to consider Australia, send a brief email about yourself to “easymigration@iprimus.com.au” for a free assessment. No obligation on you or me but it could save your sanity.
You have got to be bloody joking .
Mixed race people representing most malaysians ?
Ha hahahaha , I knew you mixed race people were desperate self flaterers , but this downright funny .
They don’t represent anything but their tiny selfish , indulgent minority , maybe say 0.1 % of the population.
Yes , and let me tell you something else , let me a real Jinjang Chinese and not the Bangsar poofter English speakers tell you what we pure bloods think about so called ” eurasians ” .
Why don’t we go head to head and see how many Malaysians prefer you to their own kind .
Let’s see Stephanie Chai , Elaine Daly etc
Versus
Ng may hung , Chow hoi mei , Angie chiew , Heung hoi Lan , Cheung hor yee , and yes of course Gong Li.
Walk them through some REAL malaysian areas of KL like Pudu , Cheras , Jinjang , Kepong and I guarantee you the pure blood Chinese girls will get 10 x the attention .
And malays / indians / local eurasians please fill your own role models in , I am not familiar .
Why Pudu etc ? Too fxxking right because these type of places are where 99% of REAL Malaysians live .
Zainuddin is right and ‘ pan asian ‘ models should be limited to screen time to what they represent which is like 0.1 % of the population.
You have NO right to be outraged , you are lucky and privilaged to be here , where you can live out your old days in comfort rather than be found dead in your council flat in Clapham by some social worker .
Becareful true Malaysians , there is an agenda here .
The private media like the world media is controlled by Zionists , who want to denigrate pure races in an attempt to control us by proxy propaganda.
Why ? so they can secure us as Zog supporters like Singapore so we can be used as cannon fodder to be used and to die for Israel.
It is very difficult for a new age mixed race person to be loyal to any race or religion.They will only follow pariah MTV / CNN / Hollywood values .
And the funniest thing ” Malaysians prefer Eurasians ” is NOT even true as I have shown , by any stretch of the imagination.
Pariah: My first thought was to delete your comment because it’s so insane, but I think I’ll leave it here so everyone can have a good laugh at your expense. Thanks for the chuckle.
Why not prove my post is insane instead of pressuming self righteousness , which you liberal Canadians are so famous for ?
Afraid your latent racism may rise to the top ?
Pariah, it’s quite unnecessary to prove how ridiculous your post is, since pretty much anyone who reads it will shake their heads in disbelief, wondering how someone can possibly be so ignorant. Your first post put you solidly into troll territory, so what I should do is just delete it, along with your second, equally-bile-filled post. But if you insist, here are some thoughts about what you wrote.
Exhibit A:
Mixed race people representing most malaysians ?
Ha hahahaha , I knew you mixed race people were desperate self flaterers , but this downright funny .
They don’t represent anything but their tiny selfish , indulgent minority , maybe say 0.1 % of the population.
OK, first of all, I never said mixed-race people represent most Malaysians. So your statement makes no sense. Read my post again. If you still don’t quite understand what I wrote after reading it a few times, making comments probably isn’t a good idea.
Second, what’s with the “you mixed people” comment? Which mixed people are you specifically addressing? If we go by the usual definition of mixed (which I think is too constrained by outdated racial theories), pretty much nobody who commented here (including me) is mixed. My son is the one who’s mixed. You’re addressing my six-month-old son? You’re specifically insulting my six-month-old son, and then you defy me to prove that what you wrote was insane? Okaayyyyy….
Yes , and let me tell you something else , let me a real Jinjang Chinese and not the Bangsar poofter English speakers tell you what we pure bloods think about so called ” eurasians ” .
I’m not sure why I’m even bothering to reply to someone who says something like “we pure bloods.” If you don’t know how 1) racist and 2) stupid that sounds, you are indeed insane. Good luck finding anyone in Malaysia (or pretty much anywhere else)who is really pure anything.
Why don’t we go head to head and see how many Malaysians prefer you to their own kind .
By you it seems you mean Eurasians, which is insteresting because I’m not Eurasian. So you want to have a head-to-head challenge with my six-month-old son. Interesting. I don’t know, you might lose there, everyone loves babies. Anyway, if by you you mean me (which would make sense because it’s my blog), then I really don’t care how many Malaysians would prefer me. One does, and that’s all that matters.
Let’s see Stephanie Chai , Elaine Daly etc
Versus
Ng may hung , Chow hoi mei , Angie chiew , Heung hoi Lan , Cheung hor yee , and yes of course Gong Li.
Walk them through some REAL malaysian areas of KL like Pudu , Cheras , Jinjang , Kepong and I guarantee you the pure blood Chinese girls will get 10 x the attention .
There you go with the ‘pure blood’ thing again. You’re making this too easy for me.
And malays / indians / local eurasians please fill your own role models in , I am not familiar .
No kidding.
Why Pudu etc ? Too fxxking right because these type of places are where 99% of REAL Malaysians live .
I see math isn’t your strong suit either.
Zainuddin is right and ‘ pan asian ‘ models should be limited to screen time to what they represent which is like 0.1 % of the population.
You obviously didn’t even read my post. I clearly stated that I don’t really agree with the over-representation of half-white models in Malaysian print and TV advertising. However, I also think it would be silly to ban them altogether. Yes, perhaps they should get less screen time than what they currently enjoy, because they don’t represent the majority of Malaysians (and I hate to burst your bubble but neither do your ‘pure-blood Jinjang Chinese’), but the fact remains that they are still Malaysians, just like every other Malaysian. They’re no less Malaysian than you are.
You have NO right to be outraged
Uh, yes I do. My son is being treated like he’s a lesser citizen because of his ancestry. Not that that’s unheard of in Malaysia (far from it), but it doesn’t mean I have to like it.
, you are lucky and privilaged to be here , where you can live out your old days in comfort rather than be found dead in your council flat in Clapham by some social worker .
Ah, so I’m from Clapham. Now we know how much research you did on who I am, where I’m from, and what I actually believe before you started your little rant. Thank you.
Becareful true Malaysians , there is an agenda here .
That’s funny, you’re almost starting to sound like Kuku Man. (By the way, apologies to Kuku Man, who may be nuts but he doesn’t seem to be as full of venom as you are).
The private media like the world media is controlled by Zionists , who want to denigrate pure races in an attempt to control us by proxy propaganda.
Why ? so they can secure us as Zog supporters like Singapore so we can be used as cannon fodder to be used and to die for Israel.
Oh my goodness. Your tinfoil hat must be too tight. You don’t really believe that stuff, do you?
It is very difficult for a new age mixed race person to be loyal to any race or religion.They will only follow pariah MTV / CNN / Hollywood values .
I don’t know about other mixed-race people, but my kid will be brought up to respect every part of his heritage. And religious values depend on what (and how) the kid is taught and the examples he’s shown.
And the funniest thing ” Malaysians prefer Eurasians ” is NOT even true as I have shown , by any stretch of the imagination.
Oh, you’ve certainly shown us something.
Why not prove my post is insane instead of pressuming self righteousness , which you liberal Canadians are so famous for ?
I think I’ve adequately proven my point, thank you very much.
Afraid your latent racism may rise to the top ?
Latent racism? I think everyone who reads my blog—really reads it, I mean—knows whether or not I’m a racist. And now they know whether or not you are too.
Thanks for stopping by. I have no desire to keep this going, since you’re unable to see reason. I’ve proven my point, and realistically I expect little more from you besides xenophobic, hateful ranting. So any further comments you make will be deleted as soon as I see them. If you’d like an audience for your ranting, start a blog of your own. If you want to comment in mine, at least read it first, and bear in mind that unjustified insults won’t win anyone over, especially if you’re insulting my child. Thanks for stopping by. Bye.
Well what you have proven is that your words belie your intent . Since you have made such a detailed comeback , you show that you take my posts seriously. Or is it that you make long detail reply to ” insane ” comments ?
” OK, first of all, I never said mixed-race people represent most Malaysians. ”
Good , the you agree with me, full stop .
” Second, what’s with the “you mixed people” comment? Which mixed people are you specifically addressing? ”
Mixed race people , who are falsely championed by self racists in the advertising industry , perpetuating the LIE that most malaysians prefer to see Eurasian faces.
what part of that don’t you understand ?
” Good luck finding anyone in Malaysia (or pretty much anywhere else)who is really pure anything. ”
What is pure race or not is certainly not for you or anyone else to decide . Are you saying that some Canadian Irish guy who adventures his way to us , can decide for us what race we are ?
you flatter yourself way too much .
BOTTOM line : the vast majority of people in Malaysia believe in the definition BY race , hence we have UMNO , MCA , MIC etc .
These are our democratically chosen constructs . the people have all spoken , as far as we are concerned , the racial classifications are what we want,full stop.
What gives you the right to change that decision ?
” Why Pudu etc ? Too fxxking right because these type of places are where 99% of REAL Malaysians live .
I see math isn’t your strong suit either. ”
That’s your problem , you know very little about this country and yet you pressume to claim that most Malaysians live in Bangsar , hartamas etc .
this is a clearly incorrect .
” Yes, perhaps they should get less screen time than what they currently enjoy, because they don’t represent the majority of Malaysians (and I hate to burst your bubble but neither do your ‘pure-blood Jinjang Chinese’)”
Again you agree with me , currently eurasians take up almost all our screen time , despite the fact that most people would rather see their own kind .
We have them rammed down our throats.
And again it shows how little you know about this country , there are segments for all , Malays / Chinese / Indians / etc all have our own INDIVIDUAL icons for each race.
So yes , I am most representative of MY sector the Chinese malaysians .
I suspect you have passed through Pudu , Cheras , Kampung baru , east coast maybe and was ” offended ” by the pure isolativeness of the communities there, and felt threatened by it and hence you attitude is shaped by your fear .
” Uh, yes I do. My son is being treated like he’s a lesser citizen because of his ancestry. Not that that’s unheard of in Malaysia (far from it), but it doesn’t mean I have to like it. ”
Uh , how about no you don’t . for a start , your son is NOT YET a bona fide citizen , he has to CHOOSE when he is 18 . Thus , your outrage is over a non issue.
” Oh my goodness. Your tinfoil hat must be too tight. You don’t really believe that stuff, do you? ”
Your DELIBERATE ignorance is funny .
Who owns Time warner , Disney , CNN , CBC Bloomberg , Fox ? Are they Cambodians ? No , they are of Jewish descent that is for sure . Why must their heritage be hidden like there is something to be ashamed of .
If Malays or Chinese owned the world media , then rightly this fact should be known. Why must it be different for Jews ?
” I don’t know about other mixed-race people, but my kid will be brought up to respect every part of his heritage. And religious values depend on what (and how) the kid is taught and the examples he’s shown. ”
Oh , yeah right , we’ll see.
What cannot be denied is that the US/Jew media is promoting this kind of thrash culture directly down the throats of mixed race people.
” I think everyone who reads my blog—really reads it, I mean—knows whether or not I’m a racist. And now they know whether or not you are too. ”
Ah, but a lot of people say one thing and do another.
I am NOT a racist but a seperatist , which of course is enshrined in our laws . If you cannot stand them , then please do one .
“If you want to comment in mine, at least read it first, and bear in mind that unjustified insults won’t win anyone over, especially if you’re insulting my child.”
Oh please , are denying that he is mixed race ?
You flatter yourself into thinking that you and your son are SO important that I would have to waste my precious time by so called insulting you .
but maybe you pressume ( WRONGLY) that all Malaysians are fascinated your mixed race child that we MUST be jealous , how could we not be , or so you desperately think .
Wake up smell the taik , it’s not working .
I have showned that to you staright in the face.
Who’s the racist now huh ?
Okay, okay, I’ll do this ONE more time, just because I’m a sucker and I do seem to have this inability to just ‘let it go’ when someone is making such ridiculous comments.
Good , the you agree with me, full stop .
Sorry, but not only do you put your full stop in the wrong place, you also seem to forget that we don’t agree as much as you think. You’ve clearly stated your support for a ridiculous media ban on certain ethnic groups. Who’s the racist then? Like I said, you obviously didn’t even read my original post, or at least didn’t understand it. If you had understood it, and stumbled upon the obvious fact that I don’t agree with how ubiquitous Eurasians seem to be in Malaysian media, then perhaps you wouldn’t have responded in such an adversarial manner. If you really thought I agreed with you to some degree, it boggles my mind that you would go ahead and write such a hostile, insulting comment. So you see, it’s obvious that your ignorance is the chief problem here. Still following me? Ok, next.
Mixed race people , who are falsely championed by self racists in the advertising industry , perpetuating the LIE that most malaysians prefer to see Eurasian faces.
You’re funny. I already mentioned something about self-hating racists, but the fact remains that there does seem to be a definite preference for certain physical features, not only among Malaysians but generally in Asia. I’ve placed that in its proper historical context and clearly shown where it all comes from.
What part of that don’t YOU understand ?
What is pure race or not is certainly not for you or anyone else to decide . Are you saying that some Canadian Irish guy who adventures his way to us , can decide for us what race we are ?
This is so funny. Does ‘anyone else’ include you then, so quick to label certain people as ‘mixed’ and others as ‘pure’? Hmm? You need to read up on history, and a little science wouldn’t hurt. And now I’m Irish? Oh my goodness.
BOTTOM line : the vast majority of people in Malaysia believe in the definition BY race , hence we have UMNO , MCA , MIC etc .
When did I suggest otherwise? By the way, this doesn’t mean I agree with you, because you were the one responding to what I said. If anything, you agree with me on certain points but just had to come here with insults anyway. And now look at what you get in return.
These are our democratically chosen constructs . the people have all spoken , as far as we are concerned , the racial classifications are what we want,full stop.
Are you even aware of the fact that to be a racist, one must first believe in the very idea of race? I don’t believe it, not to the extent that it is used to distort facts. Yet you seem to be championing it. Let’s just follow simple logic to determine who’s the racist. And are you aware that what you’ve just said means you can’t ever complain about the various ways your ‘pure’ race gets shafted in Malaysia because of the country’s various racially-motivated policies? Nice one.
What gives you the right to change that decision ?
As someone who is not a citizen of Malaysia, I am fully aware of the fact that I have no right to make any official changes. But if I see something wrong, I’d be an idiot not to at least point it out.
That’s your problem , you know very little about this country and yet you pressume to claim that most Malaysians live in Bangsar , hartamas etc .
Uh, I never said that. Most Malaysians live in Malaysia, that’s what I know. I’m pretty sure Kepong, Jinjang, Pudu, Cheras, and wherever else you mentioned don’t contain 99% of Malaysia’s people. And anyway, the Malaysians who live in one area aren’t any more or less Malaysian than the people who live in other areas.
this is a clearly incorrect .
A clearly incorrect sentence, yes.
Again you agree with me , currently eurasians take up almost all our screen time , despite the fact that most people would rather see their own kind .
Regardless of what is right or wrong, the advertising industry follows demand and gives people what they want to see, in the hopes of enticing them to buy something, etc. That’s how advertising works.
And again it shows how little you know about this country , there are segments for all , Malays / Chinese / Indians / etc all have our own INDIVIDUAL icons for each race.
Again, you’ve shown how quickly you read my statements without concentrating long enough to actually understand them. I never said anything to suggest I don’t understand the fact you presume to teach me in your statement above.
So yes , I am most representative of MY sector the Chinese malaysians .
No you’re not, because Chinese Malaysians can’t possibly be as racist as you are. The only person you really remind me of is an American guy I used to know. He had all kinds of things to say, but when his arguments were very clearly and obviously shot down he continued to spout nonsense, until it was clear to everyone that he lives in his own little world.
I suspect you have passed through Pudu , Cheras , Kampung baru , east coast maybe and was ” offended ” by the pure isolativeness of the communities there, and felt threatened by it and hence you attitude is shaped by your fear .
Your suspicion is wrong.
Uh , how about no you don’t . for a start , your son is NOT YET a bona fide citizen , he has to CHOOSE when he is 18 . Thus , your outrage is over a non issue.
Your ignorance is astounding. My son is indeed a citizen. He will indeed have to choose between Canadian and Malaysian citizenship when he reaches a certain age, but until that time he is a Malaysian citizen. In fact, right now he is not a citizen of any other country except Malaysia. His birth certificate says WARGANEGARA, and the fact that he’s of mixed parentage doesn’t change that, nor is there an asterisk after the word WARGANEGARA with a list of special conditions. Malaysia may have plenty of official policies that treat Malaysians differently based on their parentage, but in terms of the basic fact of my son’s citizenship, he’s the same as every other Malaysian.
Your DELIBERATE ignorance is funny .
Who owns Time warner , Disney , CNN , CBC Bloomberg , Fox ? Are they Cambodians ? No , they are of Jewish descent that is for sure . Why must their heritage be hidden like there is something to be ashamed of .
If Malays or Chinese owned the world media , then rightly this fact should be known. Why must it be different for Jews ?
You’re barking up the wrong tree. Anyone with even half a brain can see the influence the so-called Lobby has, particularly in the US (Mearsheimer and Walt raised some excellent points). But you’re taking it a bit far.
What cannot be denied is that the US/Jew media is promoting this kind of thrash culture directly down the throats of mixed race people.
Despite the fact of the Lobby’s influence in various areas, the very idea that they’re specifically targetting or manipulating mixed-race people is absurd.
Ah, but a lot of people say one thing and do another.
Indeed. You have shown yourself to be an excellent example of that.
I am NOT a racist but a seperatist , which of course is enshrined in our laws . If you cannot stand them , then please do one .
I guess there’s not much for me to say about that particular statement, because it is nuts in so many ways (not just from a linguistic standpoint, but also simple logic). Read that again, both on its own and then in the context of everything else you’ve written. Either way, it makes no sense. Do you even know what a separatist is?
Oh please , are denying that he is mixed race ?
No, I’ve never denied that. All I did was point out that you insulted him. Your argument makes no sense at all. When have I ever denied my son is mixed?
You flatter yourself into thinking that you and your son are SO important that I would have to waste my precious time by so called insulting you .
And yet that is precisely what you did. Hmmm…
but maybe you pressume ( WRONGLY) that all Malaysians are fascinated your mixed race child that we MUST be jealous , how could we not be , or so you desperately think .
Actually I don’t presume that at all. Can you find a parent who doesn’t think their babies are the most beautiful, amazing kids in the world? I’m like every other parent, and I just happen to put my baby’s photos on my website and include some little anecdotes here and there. If you don’t like that, click the little x.
Wake up smell the taik , it’s not working .
Oh, I can smell it all right.
I have showned that to you staright in the face.
Whatever that means. If it means you showed me something, yes, you sure have.
Who’s the racist now huh ?
You are. That’s just one of the things you’ve shown me.
This could just go on forever, because 1) trolls don’t know when they’ve humiliated themselves and will just keep coming with their insults, and because 2) I’m not thick-skinned enough to ignore every troll who comes along. I try, but I have to work on that. It’s pretty obvious that you have indeed wasted my precious time, and if I continue to respond to your bile I will have wasted even more. So that’s it. if you’d like to respond to this comment, start a blog and say your piece. Just be careful what you say.
Thank you and good-bye.
http://groups.google.com.my/group/soc.culture.malaysia/browse_thread/thread/745f75a9ef1c2ec3/6de0584827559c48?hl=en#6de0584827559c48
if you got the goolies .
Jordan,
This part of the world is a messier place than others. When the content you just published enters the bloggosphere, some really hurtful things can surface from some of the Malaysian population’s subconscience.
Don’t let these things discourage you in the least. I have school acquaintances who have white parentage and they mix well in school. My sister even has a “white” classmate in school and they get along just fine.
In real life, away from blog-world, I can assure you Malaysians are a much more open minded and reasonab;e lot than politicians.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAAA!!!!
I’m sorry, Jordan.
I’ve just been reading your previous postings as I’ve been out of the ‘macvaysian’ loop for so long and I came across this beautiful exchange between Jordan and The Pure Blood Troll.
I salute you for your unbearably witty and biting-yet-polite replies to The Pure Blood Troll’s enlighteningly intelligent remarks.
You da man!
My take on this whole subject? I absolutely DESPISE Eurasians, Panasians, whatever the hell you want to call them.
Some slutty poor Asian women will latch onto a random white man if they have money or can get them a permanent residence in America or Australia or the like. These whoring women might even leave their Asian husbands for these horny panting white men who’ll take any Asian woman who throws herself at them. These women are so fricking annoying, sitting there silently, occasionally fake laughing and talking in broken English. A lot of times these white men are on business trips to Eastern countries and have families back home.
The men can take them back to America or wherever easily to have little Eurasian babies and the man will provide the best for them, buying expensive gifts and providing the best for their little children/demons. These women, who were once small town whores, now live in the lap of luxury. They did not work their way to greater heights, they humped it….
The Eurasians have so many more advantages over pure blooded Asian children… They’re richer, they know two languages fluently, they have the looks, the white man’s skin, the height. They have the Asian brains from the mother… Asians and whites both adore them.. what the @$@% did THEY EVER DO TO DESERVE THIS?
They won’t be discriminated against because they are partially white, and will be praised in Asian countries for their white looks and fluency in Asian languages. They steal jobs at modelling agencys and advertising companies from pure blooded Asians, who tried a million times as hard. Why is it that there are so few Asians in Hollywood and American Ads, while there are so many Eurasians?
They DO NOT belong ANYWHERE!
Asian countries should use Asian models to represent themselves, and Eurasians/Panasians are NOT Asian.
The purebloods are boiling over with rage, and there WILL be consequences….
Someone’s bitter but I’m not saying who…
Hey JMac,
I thought your article was kelakar and being a parent of a very very cute little pan-asian boy as well..I understand the situation…but some of the comments here…i’m so ashamed of this ppl who are not Malaysians….no true spirit of Malaysia lar..very racist…haters….why do they live here in a multi-racial country then if they hv such a big problem with multi-racial ppl? whites and zionist are human beings too…actually, there is only one race you haters, they;’re called “humans”…go read your science and biology books bodohs…i thought our country was built on diversity..do you think Malaysia will be where it is without this ethnic diversity? Also, you want to talk bad abt westerners huh? First, go hv a look whats happening in yoiur own cultures before bad-mouthing ppl because of race and skin color…people will be people as in do not stereotype lar hallo…
and whats this crap abt malaysian/asian women married to white men? hmmm you idiot who said that we are sluts, do you really think an eductaed white guy would marry a dongdong who lives in a small kampung somewhere?..Don’t underestimate Malaysiam ladies ok…I’m Indian married to a Dutch guy and we are both young (sorry to disappoint you i’m not married to an old white guy) and I hv a degree in journalism from New Zealand…you re just jealous cuz gals like me dont wanna look at your ugly, narrow-minded uneducated ignorant stupid smelly arse face…bodoh…most of my friends, who are chinese, indian, malayu and even mix are married to very nice white men and we all went to universities ok, doctors, lawyers, phd holders, writers etc..!!! meal ticket indeed…I probly make 4x money than you do bangang, thats why you jelous…stop hating…tuhan tentukan jodoh..love, faith and fate…and let me tell you…love not meal ticket lar that i m with this white guy…actually i dont even notice he s white anymore…he s just my husband the human being who stood by this little unit of a family thru all kinds of test of life, like having a child born with a birth defect…ppl are so quick to judge but i think this mostly happens when there s so much of misery in their own lives..talking from own experience cuz im no saint..
sorry I’m taking space complaining JMac but I needed to say something after reading those crappy comments abt us Malaysian/Asian chicks…
ps:My son also very cute, pls tengok ler:-arun-jasper.blogspot.com
pps:in the future, there wont be racial distinction as some of us are working towards a united world, I’m of the Bahai faith.
s much as i agree that the malaysian government has gone too far with the rash statement regarding pan asian not bng malaysian, i am actually freaking relief at the fact that they are going to put more pure and non mix people in the ads.
I have a friend who’s freaking gorgeous. She got approached by modelling agency and they were like “Are u mix?”. And she says no.
U know what he says?Oh, that’s too bad….cse then it would have been easier to market you!
Fuck that~she looks freaking 100 times better than any malay mix race I’ve seen and just bcs shes not. she doesn’t get the job.
Sick,sick,sick
I’m sick of growing up with ppl telling me if ur mix ur pretty….cse u probably have fair skin etc,etc. whether it’s eurasian,chinese mix. regardless if they look like just a plain white chick that u can spot in london or another extremely fair average looking mix.
I’m sorry to say, so called mix people like marion caunter,ashraf sinclair,sarah tan, if u really2 want to compare with some of the pures that I’ve known and met, they don’t measure up. Not Even half as beautiful. If u really2 want to consider tat the person has sharp nose, fair skin, small face,gorgeous eyes the pures still are more beautiful.(especially the malays taht wear tudung)
I get asked the ‘ are u mix’ question like a gazillion times. N i would always like to answer , “No, I’m pure and proud of it. So what?Ur gng to call me fugly?”
So please stop with this double standard. What kind of message r we giving our kids? They’re not good enough as these ‘blessed people of mix parentage?”
Should every malaysian woman and man rush to start having babies only if the person has blue eyes and blonde hair,etc.??
In order to get good looking kids?
u can’t people probably can’t understand what we have to thru.
Me: I agree, one doesn’t have to be mixed to be considered attractive. But you’re taking it a bit far. Any Malaysian who uses the word ‘pure’ to describe themselves is not only at least a little racist, but also quite ignorant of the racial origins of Malaysians (find me a pure anything in Malaysia and I’ll be shocked). You, my friend, are only ‘pure’ if you’re some sort of pygmy whose people have lived in the same stretch of jungle for the past couple of thousand years without mixing with any other group. And even then I’d be reluctant to call you pure.
People who look down on you for not being mixed are racist. But if you think it’s better to be ‘pure’ then you’re just as bad.
hehehe…u might have a point there..pygmies. auww…they’re probably seperated from the pangea and the rest of the homo erectus population when the tectonic plate moved 2 form borneo….gosh, the images are too cute…auww(sorry,just turned 20, am still hvg a childish side to balance out my *ehem..ehem* maturity.hahahahaha)
Yeah….i guess the context of ‘pure’ does seem a bit unseeming don’t u think?
But it doesn’t erase the fact that people here Do care what your parents are and where they come from, regardless of your physicality trait and probably manner of speaking.
AND hun, there is a majority DIFFERENCE between a physical attribute of a person from an asian continent and a european continet(or even african). Don’t deny it. U throw a chinese in Uk to a street full of white people and u tell me u can’t pick out which is which?
A chinese man will pass on his physical trait of a dominant gene to his offspring and hence, it’s impossibly hard for u NOT to know that his offspring is of asian descendent. Let me explain this gene theory.
Evolution and natural selection has played a very funny game. Tens of thousand years ago humans have migrated and settled down(according to the columbus way theory)frm africa to the east and back again. and modern uropeans to america. Only a couple of hundred years ago,When there was civilisation,philosophy,religion and hence, war , people start migrating, trading and building modern transport, people started to mix with each other again after soo long. During the period before, geographical location and nitrient availability(i doubt there;s 2 many movement of the tectonic in a tens of thousand year) will determine how a person will look like. these gene will circulate and become dominant overtime(example the infamous single eye-lid slant chinese eyes)
Europeans or people with extremely colder climate will have higher noses, in order for higher nasal passage for warming of incoming inhaled air.
Walk in the street of malaysia, how many blue,green or grey eyed malaysian do u see in less than 5 minutes? None,I’m
guessing. y?CSE our dark eyed genes are DOMINANT. Sorry but it is.Etc, etc.majority!The minorities probably have direct/distant relatives that migratd RECENTLY(below thousands of years).
Look in the street again and tell me why does your brain immediately recognises that the person that’s walking is a of an asian descent and not anything else
?There are particular traits that will make u come to that conclusion. Isn’t it?
All i want is for our media and country to be logically represented by people who have these traits. The traits that recognises them as the person from this south east asiann soil. The traits that majority of us possesses. And not to be brainwashed by a super power on the idea of beauty.
For my future children to understand that the genes that I pass on to them are of something they can be proud of and comprehend.
p/s: I used to not believe about media brainwashing thing bcs a female of attribute bigger eyes,smaller face and nose and jaw and big chest(ehem…ehem.. u know what i mean)tend to have higher lev el of oestrogen, so ppl find them more attractive.Majority of female whites have these attributes more so highlighted, therefore people would find them more attractive. But let me tell you a story:
A couple hundred years ago, a shogun(in japan)tells of the white foreigners that came to shore/”They brought with them their female. All the local villagers, especially women pitied her grotesque face. She has hair the colour of urine and it wasn;t straight or silky black like our geisha girls. Her nose looks like a small tree branch and her eys always look startled due to their size. However, the white foreigner men seems to be guarding her like she’s a precious stone”.
Do u want to know the white foreigner side?
Back in their homeland,(was it in europe or america)the ‘female’ that they brought, Emily is regarded one of the most beautifukl in their town.hahahahahaha
The japanese people haven’t met or seen these attributes and so they judged her weirdly. Normal first instinct.
Fast forward today, y do the percepton of the asians towards the white has changed?LOL. SORRY for the loooong post.u probbaly hv other better things.xxx
and yeah, it’s not the pan asian that’s conquering our media,, It;s actually the expatriates and their offspring. enough with the colonisation!It’s modern day!
You didn’t need to give a lesson in genetics, I’m aware of the science behind the variety in human features. I’m also aware that while reputable scientists recognize the validity of studying the genetic variety of the human species, they long ago threw out the concept of race as a reliable way to classify groups of people.
I can see your frustration but I really think you’re coming at this from the wrong angle. Your last statement is troubling:
and yeah, it’s not the pan asian that’s conquering our media,, It;s actually the expatriates and their offspring. enough with the colonisation!It’s modern day!
First of all, many of these so-called ‘Pan-Asian’ children have one parent who is an expatriate.
Second, I’ve mentioned this several times but I suppose I’ll have to do it again: my son came from a Malaysian mother and was himself born in Malaysia. He is Malaysian not only officially but also culturally. He is no less Malaysian than you or any other Malaysian, even though he has a Canadian father and is learning about that side of his heritage alongside what he learns about his Malaysian side.
Third, yes this is indeed the modern day, and perhaps you haven’t noticed but in these modern times populations are moving around a lot and most countries are becoming more mixed than they ever were, taking in immigrants of all kinds. Malaysia is one of those countries. If I were a gambling man I’d bet at least some of your ancestors came here from somewhere else, even if that connection is quite far back in the past. I’m an immigrant; my son is a Malaysian. Learn to live with that, because you don’t have any choice in the matter.
If you go back and read my post you’ll see that I do agree with you on some major points, notably on the issue of the over-representation of ‘Pan-Asians’ in local advertising. I really do think it’s silly. But I can see where it comes from (your Japanese example was cool, but the Japanese have historically been quite insular to the point of extreme racism even beyond what you would see in many other Asian societies who had contact with Europeans, so they’re probably not the best example to use). You might think it’s sick when large portions of a population consider foreigners to be better looking, but what I think is REALLY sick is when people trash people from their own country who happen to come from a background other than that of the so-called majority.
I have nothing agains any race but I absolutely despise mixed asians. Maybe because of how they are potrayed in the media here. But where I come from they’re not respected and I endorse that.
Hi Jordan, your blog is interesting. Come to Europe - you can teach English as a second language in the many English schools in France, Spain, Italy. M’sia is NOT the same anymore. Give you child the one chance to be open minded and experience other cultures without having the stigma of religion and race to define him. Only Muslims have a future in Malaysia….. it will never ever change. What will you do? Mums generally know best…. listen to her. All the best.
That just takes the cakes doesn’t it.
I am always amased how much time the Malysian politicians spend pattaing their backs and boasting how well racial harmony works in Malaysia, when BN in general and UMNO in particular spend so much time putting out racial ideas.
Thank Allah that most malaysians are more reasonable than their government.
It is obvious,that there is a racial criteria when it comes to selecting a model to appear in ads.
Why is there sooo many Eurasians in our ads when they are a tiny minority in Malaysia?
I have a problem with that.I think its bullshit.
But that doesnt mean advertisers should not use Eurasians.Thats wrong because its discrimination.
I thought when they select a model,they go for good looks,personality,like that you know?
But I see some of these Eurasians in the ads,not even good looking.It just makes me think yeah they got selected because they are Eurasian.
Again,its obvious(for me at least) that there is a racial preference when seleting models for ads.
I think the answer is to select models regardless race.If its good looks and personality as a requirement,find one with those qualities.
I know thats not how it is since Eurasians appear in many ads when they are a minority.
I’m Eurasian by the way and I hate all these race oriented bullshit.
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And to whose Malaysian??? A person whose a citizen of Malaysia!
and maybe…a group of people who are citizens of another country who form a community that is Malaysian in its ways:Australia’s Malaysian community in Sydney.An example!
By citizenship and by descent.
‘YES’ Jordan, Pan-Asian means universally or ‘globally’ asian, it doesn’t mean Eurasian. Well, there you have it, people who are not native speakers of the English languageare often apt to reduce the language to a nonsensical patois. How can pan-asian be used as a term to describe the Eurasian face.
By the way J,
What the fuck is ur problem with Eurasians as a minority being over represented in the advertising media. The jews are overrepresented in American banking, AND WHAT THE HECK IS WRONG WITH THAT?…unless you’re anti-semetic, which in Malaysia is probably understandable but that does not make it any more acceptable!
Further, it appears you should familiarise yourself with the Malaysian constitution. Has it never occurred to you that Eurasians are picked for the ads because they were the best people for the job, and or in the alternative, there’s also the possibility that the Malaysian consumer for whatever reason finds the Eurasian face attractive.
I know I do to a certain extent, but i have seen some fucking ugly eurasian people, most notably those with characteristically asiatic features, big head, broad flat face, narrow eyefolds and with blue eyes and blond hair. The combination looks like a dog’s breakfast, its just not right.
Further, Eurasians and European/Aryan races are a minority in Malaysia. have you ever considered the possibility that Malaysians may simply want to see a novelty on TV, a euro-asian face that appears attractive. Note, not all minorities are attractive, we shoot the aborigines in Australia, there’s a reason for it and it ain’t cos they’re Black.
Anti-descrimination cuts both ways, you don’t need to be a member of the ACLU or be a civil rights lawyer reading constitutional law at Harvard to realise that. For the record, I am both.
It has always remained a fact that human beauty is an objective and quantifiable element. I’ll provide you the Harvard Med Journal citation for the study confirming this fact if you really want later.
So far as aesthetics are concerned, facial symmetry and structure are often identified with beauty.
Its no secret that there remains an overwhelming no of people who find light (not white skin) more attractive than dark skin. Im on of them. I have no specific preference for pale white skin but I certainly find it more attractive than black skin, simply because on a beautiful women, a lighter complexion highlights the facial features, the structure, the bones a hell of a lot more than black skin does. Dark or Black skin tends to hide the features.
If you don’t agree, we can shade angelina jolie’s face black with imaging software and then see if her universally pleasing features are as well highlighted by black skin.
Kids as young as grade 1 are being asked to pick out the most beautiful girl out of a series of photos depicting women of all major races, a majority pick out the blond hair, blue eyed girl and then the hispanic girl.
So you see, we all have an innate sense of what beautiful is, and it is a fact that beauty transcends races, religion and culture. Most of us will agree on universal standards of beauty. Simply put, you don’t have to walk into a multi-racial classroom to see who the most attractive people are. I can tell you it ain’t the geeky chinese overseas student. Her facial features just aren’t prominent enough, they’re flat and broad which i suppose looks kinda cute on my pekingese dog, but not on a girl. I know that there are some people who like this look but seriously…On the other hand, the latino chic with hispanic blood intermixed with native, and south americans looks universally exotic and stunning.
You just can’t compare the both of them, one is simply more universally appealing than the other to a majority of people.
So, if an advertiser had a choice of advertising talant to work with and you had the models who were racially homogeneous chinese, indians or malays on the one hand; And the you had a peculiar blend of features in the Eurasian models with perhaps somewhat lighter skin; I would have thought that the advertiser would have picked whichever model was the most attractive. And you know what, if the Eurasian model was indeed more attractive, then he/she deserved to get the job.
The mere fact that Eurasians are overreprsented in the advertsising media may well just be the result of a competitive advantage aesthetically over the racially homogenous locals.
There’s no need to descriminate against them.
Jordan
By the way, have u ever noticed that outside of Asia, in the english speaking West, Eurasians are not a celebrated minority like they are in Asia. Gets u wondering, Huh.
A particular analysis as to why is richly deserved.
Seriously, the Eurasian minority in the West are always lumped and marginalised with the rest of the non-white minorities. We don’t don’t god damn celebrate them like celebrities the way they do in Malaysia. There’s a reason for that.
Eurasians are not overrepresented in the Western Media, advertising or otherwise, and there’s a reason for that too.
Now, It cos they just don’t have the same competitive advantage, aesthetically or otherwise in the West that they do in Asia.
That’s why we don’t worship or have a pop culture celebrating Eurasians in particular. The rest of us [non-eurasians] are just as aesthetically appealing and good looking to our own masses and if not more so than Eurasians, so we haven’t found ourselves in a position where we are under represented in our own media.
Our consumers don’t have a preference to look at mixed raced people, we prefer to look at what we find beautiful and more often than not, its just not a Eurasian person. No surprise that our media is not perticularly saturated with any one racial group, except for maybe white.
So, this begs the inevitable question, do the Americans, Australians and Europeans have a preferential tendency to look at their own or do they want to look at a Eurasian face in the media. I would suggest to you that the answer is as plain as the reasons behind it are compelling.
I’ve noticed that being a “halfie”(derog.) in a western country is different from being a eurasian(ooo… sounds classy) in an asian country.
Pariah is just upset because his girl friend likes big matsalleh pisang goreng….and she liked it every weekend when he’s not around and thinks she is out with her friends….hahaha
Bottom line is, this is Malaysia, and the lawmakers in the parliament shall act such way but not limited to; amend, modify, repel, replace, reinstitute, reestablish, etc of existing laws/rules to protect the interest of all Malaysian, to make sure that wealth, opportunities, Ads hours, etc to be more of equitable representation and distribution.
Those who don’t agree with the law can either leave or work with the system to change it. There’s no other way. Good day everyone :)